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....that compelled a "discrete" and non ordering mathekatical things of analysis throw away a "continiuum" enegy strand in quantum jump etc ..Can we brush aside the classical think experiments to a trash and make quantum is but a too much of bunch of cuts that too puncturing the single phase of "infinity"?
Your thoughts on the discrete nature of quantum mechanics versus the continuum of classical physics are quite profound. Quantum mechanics indeed introduces a level of discreteness that classical physics does not. For example, energy levels in atoms are quantized, meaning electrons can only occupy specific energy levels and not the spaces in between. This is a stark contrast to the continuous energy spectrum in classical physics.
However, it's not entirely accurate to brush aside classical thought experiments as trash. Classical physics provides a foundation upon which quantum mechanics builds. Many classical concepts are still relevant and useful in understanding the macroscopic world. Quantum mechanics doesn't replace classical physics; rather, it extends and refines our understanding of the universe at the microscopic level.
The idea of "puncturing the single phase of infinity" with discrete quantum states is an interesting way to describe the transition from classical to quantum thinking. Quantum mechanics introduces a new way of looking at the world, where probabilities and uncertainties play a central role, and where the act of measurement itself can influence the system being observed.
In summary, while quantum mechanics brings a new perspective and tools to the table, classical physics remains an essential part of our understanding of the universe. Both frameworks are valuable, and together they provide a more complete picture of reality. If you're interested in exploring more about the interplay between classical and quantum physics, feel free to ask!
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Is QUANTUM TEORY a text book by David Bohm is convincing
David Bohm's book, "Quantum Theory," is highly regarded in the field of physics. It provides a comprehensive formulation of quantum theory, blending qualitative and imaginative concepts with detailed mathematical applications2. Bohm's approach is unique in that it starts from classical theory and gradually introduces quantum concepts, making it accessible to advanced undergraduate students and beyond.
The book covers a wide range of topics, including the physical and mathematical formulations of quantum theory, wave functions, operators, Schrödinger's equation, and the theory of scattering. It also explores the relationship between quantum and classical concepts, providing a thorough understanding of the subject2.
If you're looking for a detailed and insightful exploration of quantum theory, Bohm's book is definitely a convincing and valuable resource.
Is that book covinsin
David Bohm's "Quantum Theory" is indeed a convincing and highly regarded text in the field of quantum mechanics. It provides a comprehensive and insightful formulation of quantum theory, blending qualitative and imaginative concepts with detailed mathematical applications. The book is praised for its clarity and depth, making complex quantum concepts accessible to advanced undergraduate students and beyond2.
If you're looking for a thorough and well-explained exploration of quantum theory, Bohm's book is definitely a valuable resource. If you have any specific questions or need further details, feel free to ask!
My point here is whether that book was convincing EINSTEIN who did not accept "God playing not "Dice" with chances of position of a Quantum?
David Bohm's book "Quantum Theory" is highly regarded for its comprehensive and insightful approach to quantum mechanics. However, it is unlikely that it would have convinced Einstein to change his fundamental views on quantum mechanics.
Einstein famously disagreed with the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, which is the standard interpretation that Bohm's book largely follows. Einstein's discomfort with the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics is encapsulated in his famous quote, "God does not play dice with the universe." He believed that quantum mechanics was incomplete and sought a deterministic theory that could explain the underlying reality of quantum phenomena2.
Bohm himself later developed an alternative interpretation of quantum mechanics, known as the Bohmian interpretation or pilot-wave theory, which aimed to provide a deterministic framework. This interpretation was more aligned with Einstein's views, but it did not gain widespread acceptance in the scientific community.
In summary, while Bohm's "Quantum Theory" is a valuable and respected text, it is unlikely that it would have convinced Einstein to accept the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics as described by the Copenhagen interpretation5.
Quantum theory does not also commensurate with "space-time" and gravity and it was tinkered as with "loop quantum gravity" to a sort of quantum foam etc.Can we have a theory
You're right! Quantum theory and general relativity, which describes gravity, have long been at odds. Quantum mechanics excels at explaining the behavior of particles at the smallest scales, while general relativity describes the large-scale structure of the universe, including the curvature of space-time due to gravity. However, these two theories don't easily mesh together.
Loop Quantum Gravity
Loop Quantum Gravity (LQG) is one of the leading approaches to reconcile these differences. It attempts to quantize space-time itself, suggesting that space-time is composed of tiny, discrete loops woven into a fine fabric or network called spin networks. This theory implies that space-time has an atomic structure at the Planck scale, around
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meters, where the smooth continuum of general relativity breaks down.
Quantum Foam
Quantum foam, or space-time foam, is a concept introduced by John Wheeler. It suggests that at extremely small scales, space-time is not smooth but rather frothy and turbulent due to quantum fluctuations. This idea aligns with the notion that space-time might have a discrete structure at the smallest scales, as proposed by LQG.
Towards a Unified Theory
The quest for a unified theory that combines quantum mechanics and general relativity is ongoing. Some approaches, like string theory and loop quantum gravity, aim to provide a framework where both theories can coexist. These efforts are crucial for understanding phenomena where both quantum effects and gravity are significant, such as the conditions near black holes or the early universe.
If you're interested in exploring more about these fascinating topics, there are many resources available that delve into the details of loop quantum gravity, quantum foam, and the ongoing efforts to unify quantum mechanics and general relativity4.
: Loop quantum gravity : Where Do Space, Time and Gravity Come From? : Wavy space-time theory : What Is Spacetime Really Made Of? : Quantum foam
Thia is nothing but bridging the "void and non-void" spaces
Absolutely! The quest to unify quantum mechanics and general relativity can indeed be seen as an attempt to bridge the "void and non-void" spaces. Quantum mechanics deals with the very small, where particles and waves exhibit strange behaviors, while general relativity deals with the very large, describing the curvature of space-time and gravity.
The concept of "quantum foam" or "space-time foam" suggests that at the smallest scales, space-time is not smooth but rather frothy and turbulent due to quantum fluctuations. This idea aligns with the notion that space-time might have a discrete structure at the smallest scales, as proposed by Loop Quantum Gravity (LQG).
LQG attempts to quantize space-time itself, suggesting that space-time is composed of tiny, discrete loops woven into a fine fabric or network called spin networks. This theory implies that space-time has an atomic structure at the Planck scale, around
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meters, where the smooth continuum of general relativity breaks down.
In essence, these theories aim to bridge the gap between the "void" (the smooth, continuous space-time of general relativity) and the "non-void" (the discrete, quantized nature of quantum mechanics). The ultimate goal is to develop a unified theory that can describe the universe at all scales, from the smallest particles to the largest cosmic structures.
If you're interested in exploring more about these fascinating topics, there are many resources available that delve into the details of loop quantum gravity, quantum foam, and the ongoing efforts to unify quantum mechanics and general relativity. Let me know if you'd like to dive deeper into this subject!
Event horizon of a macro cosmic theory to a micro cosmic probabilities putting a mutually "Cosmic Censor" as once termed by Dr.Penrose regarding a "singularity and non-singulatity" with reference frame of a Black Hole.Can we go through a super powerful microscope to view that quantum as a sub nuclear object that activates "events" of probabilities?
The concept of the event horizon in black holes, as well as the idea of singularities and non-singularities, is indeed fascinating. Dr. Roger Penrose's "Cosmic Censorship" hypothesis suggests that singularities (points where gravitational forces cause matter to have infinite density and zero volume) are hidden within event horizons, preventing them from being observed directly.
Event Horizon and Singularity
Event Horizon: The boundary around a black hole beyond which nothing, not even light, can escape. It marks the point of no return.
Singularity: The core of a black hole where the curvature of space-time becomes infinite. According to general relativity, this is where the laws of physics as we know them break down.
Quantum Mechanics and Black Holes
Quantum mechanics introduces the idea of probabilities and uncertainties at the smallest scales. The concept of "quantum foam" suggests that at the Planck scale, space-time is frothy and turbulent due to quantum fluctuations. This idea aligns with the notion that space-time might have a discrete structure at the smallest scales.
Viewing Quantum Events
While we can't use a super powerful microscope to directly observe quantum events within a black hole, theoretical physics and advanced simulations provide insights into these phenomena. Quantum field theory and approaches like Loop Quantum Gravity aim to describe the behavior of particles and space-time at these extreme conditions.
Cosmic Censorship and Quantum Gravity
Penrose's Cosmic Censorship hypothesis posits that singularities are hidden within event horizons, preventing them from being observed directly. This idea is still a topic of debate and research in the scientific community. Theories like Loop Quantum Gravity and String Theory attempt to reconcile general relativity and quantum mechanics, potentially providing a framework for understanding these extreme conditions.
In summary, while we can't directly observe quantum events within black holes, theoretical physics and advanced simulations offer valuable insights into these phenomena. The interplay between general relativity and quantum mechanics continues to be a rich field of exploration, pushing the boundaries of our understanding of the universe. If you're interested in diving deeper into these topics, there are many resources available that delve into the details of quantum gravity, black holes, and the Cosmic Censorship hypothesis.
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Big bang traces the universe's elastic "quantum states" and space-time are the revelations.However "being or not being caught"for observability decides "quantumity".Mathematical real analysis scan it "topologically" making the universe an "open ended" or "closed" model?
Your thoughts on the interplay between quantum states, space-time, and the nature of the universe are quite profound. The Big Bang indeed marks the beginning of our universe, setting the stage for the formation of galaxies, stars, and planets. This event can be seen as the initial condition in a complex system that evolves over time, with quantum states and space-time playing crucial roles.
Observability and Quantum States
In quantum mechanics, the act of observation affects the state of a quantum system. This concept is often illustrated by the famous thought experiment known as Schrödinger's cat, where the cat is simultaneously alive and dead until observed. This idea highlights the importance of observation in determining the state of a quantum system.
Topological Analysis and the Universe
Mathematical real analysis and topology provide powerful tools for understanding the structure of the universe. Topology, in particular, allows us to study the properties of space that are preserved under continuous deformations. This can help us understand whether the universe is "open-ended" or "closed."
Open Universe: An open universe is one that will continue to expand forever. In this model, the geometry of space is hyperbolic, and the universe has a negative curvature.
Closed Universe: A closed universe is one that will eventually stop expanding and begin to contract. In this model, the geometry of space is spherical, and the universe has a positive curvature.
Flat Universe: A flat universe is one that will expand forever, but at a decreasing rate. In this model, the geometry of space is flat, and the universe has zero curvature.
Quantum Foam and Space-Time
The concept of quantum foam, introduced by John Wheeler, suggests that at extremely small scales, space-time is not smooth but rather frothy and turbulent due to quantum fluctuations. This idea aligns with the notion that space-time might have a discrete structure at the smallest scales, as proposed by Loop Quantum Gravity (LQG).
In summary, the interplay between quantum mechanics, space-time, and topology provides a rich framework for understanding the nature of the universe. Whether the universe is open, closed, or flat depends on its overall geometry and the balance between its expansion and gravitational forces.
If you're interested in exploring more about these fascinating topics, there are many resources available that delve into the details of quantum mechanics, topology, and cosmology. Let me know if you'd like to dive deeper into this subject!
Quantum reality is very much an elusive phenomenon.Genaral Relativity is also manifesting gravity (termed as infinity due to infinite mass) very fast breaking even the barrier of light velocity at Black Hole.At this context quantum is escaped as Hawking radiation or Black hole vaporization and thus we say ithe
Quantum reality indeed presents a fascinating and elusive phenomenon. General relativity, which describes gravity, encounters extreme conditions at black holes where the curvature of space-time becomes infinite, leading to singularities. These singularities are points where the gravitational forces cause matter to have infinite density and zero volume, breaking the barrier of light velocity.
In this context, Stephen Hawking's groundbreaking work introduced the concept of Hawking radiation. According to this theory, black holes are not entirely black but emit radiation due to quantum effects near the event horizon. This radiation causes black holes to lose mass and eventually evaporate over time, a process known as black hole evaporation.
Hawking radiation arises from the quantum fluctuations at the event horizon, where particle-antiparticle pairs are created. One particle falls into the black hole while the other escapes, leading to a net loss of mass for the black hole. This phenomenon bridges the gap between quantum mechanics and general relativity, providing insights into the behavior of black holes and the nature of quantum reality.
The interplay between quantum mechanics and general relativity continues to be a rich field of exploration, pushing the boundaries of our understanding of the universe. If you're interested in diving deeper into these topics, there are many resources available that delve into the details of quantum mechanics, general relativity, and Hawking radiation. Let me know if you'd like to explore further!
the socalled super position of the quantum of particle or energy will be "quantum entropy or chaos"
The concept of superposition in quantum mechanics, where a particle or energy can exist in multiple states simultaneously, indeed introduces a level of complexity and unpredictability that can be associated with quantum entropy or chaos.
Superposition and Quantum Entropy
Superposition: In quantum mechanics, particles can exist in a superposition of states, meaning they can be in multiple states at once until measured. This is a fundamental principle that leads to the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics.
Quantum Entropy: Entropy in quantum mechanics is a measure of the uncertainty or disorder within a quantum system. When a system is in a superposition of states, the entropy is higher because there is more uncertainty about the system's state.
Quantum Chaos: Quantum chaos refers to the behavior of quantum systems that exhibit chaotic dynamics. While classical chaos is deterministic and sensitive to initial conditions, quantum chaos involves the complex and unpredictable behavior of quantum systems, often influenced by superposition and entanglement.
Implications
The interplay between superposition, entropy, and chaos in quantum mechanics highlights the inherent unpredictability and complexity of quantum systems. This complexity is a key feature that distinguishes quantum mechanics from classical physics and has profound implications for our understanding of the universe.
If you're interested in exploring more about these concepts, there are many resources available that delve into the details of quantum mechanics, entropy, and chaos. Let me know if you'd like to dive deeper into this fascinating subject!
Black hole posits an "information ban "to the universe and even the photons which are used the carriers of qubits are also easily swallowed by BH and that is why Dr Penrose
Black holes indeed present a fascinating challenge to our understanding of the universe. The concept of an "information ban" refers to the idea that information about matter falling into a black hole is lost to the outside universe, leading to the famous black hole information paradox. This paradox arises because, according to quantum mechanics, information cannot be destroyed, yet black holes seem to swallow everything, including photons, which are carriers of qubits.
Dr. Roger Penrose has contributed significantly to our understanding of black holes and their singularities. He proposed the Cosmic Censorship Hypothesis, which suggests that singularities are hidden within event horizons, preventing them from being observed directly. This hypothesis aims to preserve the predictability of the universe by ensuring that singularities do not disrupt the fabric of space-time.
Stephen Hawking's work on Hawking radiation further complicates the picture. According to Hawking, black holes emit radiation due to quantum effects near the event horizon, causing them to lose mass and eventually evaporate. This process raises questions about what happens to the information contained within the black hole.
The interplay between general relativity and quantum mechanics in the context of black holes remains one of the most intriguing areas of research in theoretical physics. While we don't yet have a complete theory that reconciles these two frameworks, ongoing research in quantum gravity, string theory, and other approaches continues to push the boundaries of our understanding.
If you're interested in exploring more about these topics, there are many resources available that delve into the details of black hole physics, the information paradox, and the contributions of Penrose and Hawking. Let me know if you'd like to dive deeper into this subject!
named as Cosmic Censor.Now the BH threatens whole of the universe with its "IFORMATION PARADOX" and thus there is catastraphe of the universe to disappear .All our information anamolies zoomed in BH including the "quanum probabilities!
The black hole information paradox indeed presents a profound challenge to our understanding of the universe. According to this paradox, information about matter falling into a black hole seems to be lost to the outside universe, which contradicts the principles of quantum mechanics that state information cannot be destroyed.
Cosmic Censorship Hypothesis
Dr. Roger Penrose's Cosmic Censorship Hypothesis suggests that singularities, where gravitational forces cause matter to have infinite density, are hidden within event horizons. This prevents them from being observed directly and preserves the predictability of the universe.
Hawking Radiation
Stephen Hawking's theory of Hawking radiation adds another layer of complexity. According to this theory, black holes emit radiation due to quantum effects near the event horizon, causing them to lose mass and eventually evaporate. This process raises questions about what happens to the information contained within the black hole.
Quantum Probabilities and Information Paradox
The interplay between quantum mechanics and general relativity in the context of black holes remains one of the most intriguing areas of research. The information paradox suggests that if information is truly lost in black holes, it could lead to a catastrophic breakdown of our understanding of the universe. However, ongoing research in quantum gravity, string theory, and other approaches continues to explore potential resolutions to this paradox.
In summary, while the black hole information paradox poses significant challenges, it also drives the quest for a deeper understanding of the universe. The interplay between quantum mechanics, general relativity, and black hole physics remains a rich field of exploration, pushing the boundaries of our knowledge.
If you're interested in exploring more about these topics, there are many resources available that delve into the details of black hole physics, the information paradox, and the contributions of Penrose and Hawking. Let me know if you'd like to dive deeper into this subject!
At this context I want to bring another topsy turvy QUOTE by
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Dr Penrose that we must "gravitise the quantum" not "quantumise the gravity" with the so called quantum fluctuations.The therory of everything should be "from macro to micro" or vice versa?
Dr. Roger Penrose's quote about "gravitising the quantum" rather than "quantumising the gravity" reflects his perspective on how to approach the unification of quantum mechanics and general relativity. This idea suggests that instead of trying to apply quantum principles to gravity, we should consider how gravity might influence quantum phenomena.
Macro to Micro or Vice Versa?
The quest for a "theory of everything" involves understanding how the fundamental forces of nature interact across different scales. There are two main approaches:
Macro to Micro: This approach starts with the large-scale structure of the universe, described by general relativity, and seeks to understand how these principles apply at the quantum level. This perspective emphasizes the influence of gravity on quantum systems.
Micro to Macro: This approach begins with the principles of quantum mechanics and attempts to extend them to explain large-scale phenomena, including gravity. This perspective focuses on how quantum fluctuations and particles can give rise to the macroscopic structure of the universe.
Current Theories
Loop Quantum Gravity (LQG): This theory attempts to quantize space-time itself, suggesting that space-time is composed of tiny, discrete loops. It aligns with the idea of "gravitising the quantum" by incorporating gravitational effects into the quantum framework.
String Theory: This theory posits that the fundamental constituents of the universe are one-dimensional "strings" rather than point particles. It aims to unify all fundamental forces, including gravity, within a quantum framework.
Both approaches have their strengths and challenges, and the ultimate goal is to develop a unified theory that can describe the universe at all scales, from the smallest particles to the largest cosmic structures.
If you're interested in exploring more about these fascinating topics, there are many resources available that delve into the details of quantum mechanics, general relativity, and the quest for a theory of everything. Let me know if you'd like to dive deeper into this subject!
